Vermont Judge Awards Custody to Non-Biological Lesbian Parent
Both people seem off, somethings a little funky.
http://www.progressivepuppy.com/the_progressive_puppy/2009/11/vermont-judge-awards-custody-to-non-biological-lesbian-parent.html
A Rutland Family Court judge ordered a first-of-its kind parent custody change Friday in a child-visitation dispute involving a Virginia woman and her former lesbian partner who lives in Fair Haven. In a 21-page order, Judge William Cohen granted sole custody of 7-year-old Isabella Miller to her nonbiological but court-recognized parent, Janet Jenkins.
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Tags: gay, grata, Janet, Jenkins, Lisa, Miller, non, persona
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
The traditional …
The traditional role of the male in any heterosexual marriage has been to insure the continuation of the bloodline. That could explain why the two vids I’ve seen on this subject were made by white males.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
No worries, best …
No worries, best wishes in your life.
A direct quote from you to me: “I never realized you were so homophobic.”… yea… no reason for me to be annoyed with you.
I have addressed every single one of you comments. Thank you and good night!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
@TheBigHo111 wow …
@TheBigHo111 wow you really are irrational, don’t worry you caused me to unsubscribe due to your lack of rational behavior.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Listen you …
Listen you douche bag, I am done being nice to you while you call me homophobic. I never said homosexuals can not have children or be parents, you twit!
My God! It is about primary custody rights of a person’s child.
You’re exposing that if a person marries another person with a child, they now have equal right to custody of the other person’s child upon the marriage.
I do not agree and find that premise ridicules.
You’re blocked for being a real jackass.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
@TheBigHo111
No …
@TheBigHo111
No your homophobic thoughts are betrayed by your complete irrational stand on blood trumps everything. Your inability to recognize a parent because she is from a same sex marriage. Rainbowheartgirl understands things very well, you fall back on anarchism like a crutch though when you are faced with legally the birth mother kidnapped the child and ran across state lines. You use that crutch while for 5 years the courts have sided with the gay mother and her rights to visit her child
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Sorry, I wrote that …
Sorry, I wrote that too fast and made a bunch of typos! Anyhow, I hope you catch my drift. Look, I have two dads. They’re both my legal dads. They’re both my equal parents. Biology doesn’t matter, not according to the law and not according to the children involved. If someone had tried to stop me from seeing my adopted dad, I would have been *devastated.* He’s my dad. I love him to death. I’d never want to have been kidnapped away from him. I feel so sad for what little Isabella’s going through.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Big, property? How …
Big, property? How do you get? Look, when you decide to have a baby with someone, male or female, you can’t just decide a couple of years later … “Oops, never mind, you’re not my child’s mom or dad!” Parenthood’s for life. Isabella is not just *her* child, she’s *both* their child. They planned her together. The law is very clear about kids born from donor sperm. Married couples who use donor insemination are the child of both parties. It’s really, really clear.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
@illyounotme – I …
@illyounotme – I didn’t realize not agreeing with you made me a homophobe. lmao
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
@TheBigHo111
I …
@TheBigHo111
I never realized you were so homophobic, it is quite sad you loos your normal rational self over this issue.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
I finally found a …
I finally found a article about the support but it doesn’t state whether Miller accepted a payment.
Either way, that ruling to make her pay should have not happened, in my humble opinion.
“now she’s kidnapped the kid!” – now she has stopped her child from being taken
I am posting a vid right now, made before this comment, stay tuned
Please comment on that vid once it uploads thanks.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
“Custody should be …
“Custody should be determined based on other factors, not biology” – That’s real close to saying children are property.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
And, Big, yes …
And, Big, yes Jenkins did pay child support. She’s been fighting for her daughter for years! Google the story online because there’s quite a lot about it. And also, Miller had custody in the first place. The only reason she lost it is ’cause she kept refusing to let Jenkins see their daughter. She was in contempt of court a bunch of times, and now she’s kidnapped the kid! I know she’s all “born again” and stuff now, but she still has to follow the law.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Big, if two people …
Big, if two people are both legal parents, biology doesn’t come into it at all. They’re equal legal parents. Custody should be determined based on other factors, not biology. And for straight couples, no, the dads don’t have to adopt the babies. They’re considered by law the fathers. That happens immediately. There’s no adoption necessary at all. For gay couples, it’s trickier because there are homophobic states who don’t honor rights. So they might want to adopt in just in case.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
**paying**
**paying**
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
“paying alimony”… …
“paying alimony”… I mean’t child support.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
I never said she …
I never said she can’t be a parent.
This is about physical custody of the child and the state taking a child away from its natural mother, period.
I could care less what states agree with you. There are plenty of laws on the books that are not just.
She was with the child for 17 months. Was the partner child support??
It is not about gay anything!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
I never said the …
I never said the partner doesn’t have rights!!! My issue is strictly with physical custody and the judge awarding it to a non-biological parent over the actual mother of the child, period.
Regarding sperm donation, this is why adoption exists, to clear this up. As well, I wonder if a mother has to consent that her baby (by donation) can be adopted by her husband? Curious…
Another question… was Janet Jenkins paying alimony?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
ill, I agree with …
ill, I agree with you. I find it hard to understand how a legal parent is being referred to as a stepparent here, when she helped plan for the child and was there at the moment of the baby’s conception and birth. She’s as much a parent as any other, but it’s common for same-sex couples to have trouble with this. That’s why second-parent adoption is recommended. That’s what my dads did, back in 1989, our second dad adopted us to make sure he would def. be considered our equal legal parent.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Big, Jenkins *is* …
Big, Jenkins *is* the legal parent. Her situation is exactly the same as a man whose wife conceived through sperm donation. You really need to look up the law and what it says! The legal spouse of any child conceived during marriage, with the consent of both parties, is *automatically* a legal parent. Otherwise, dads whose kids were conceived through sperm donation would not have any rights, and that’s *not* the case. The Vermont Family Court has ruled that Jenkins is Isabella’s legal parent.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
So all same sex …
So all same sex marriages that have children the second parent is just a step parent to you, because they are not able to be genetically related? It seems Virginia, Vermont, & I disagree with you there. A parent is not who is genetically related but who raises the child in my opinion.
I am very surprised by your stand on this. It seems extremely closed minded. You want to keep the gay issue out of this, but really that seems to be your problem. Not recognizing a gay parent.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
As well, the …
As well, the partner was not asking for custody but visitation. Interesting for an equal parent.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
“Janet Jenkins is …
“Janet Jenkins is just as much the child’s parent as Lisa Miller is.” – No she is not. She did not carry the child, did not give birth, considered no risk, the child has no shared DNA otherwise she should have carried the child herself.
Just because someone is married does not mean they have a right after divorce to a non-biological child.
“sperm donation…” – I disagree. Your statement might apply in adoption but all courts lean towards the actual mother in any custody case.
-cont-
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
The non-biological …
The non-biological partner is exactly like a step-parent. Only through the marriage itself is the child considered a dependant.
A parent is one thing and a father/mother is another.
Upon the nullification of the civil union Jenkins is no longer the parent. She did not carry the child, did not give birth, considered no risk, the child has no shared DNA otherwise she should have carried the child herself.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Yeah, like other …
Yeah, like other people have said, both women are the legal parents here. Janet Jenkins is just as much the child’s parent as Lisa Miller is. It would like if a married straight couple had a baby by donor insemination. The man is automatically the dad. If the couple breaks up later, the woman can’t turn around and try to say that he’s not really the father anymore ’cause of the sperm donation, you know?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
LOVE, that’s nuts. …
LOVE, that’s nuts. Why would you even say such a bizarre and ignorant thing? My parents are gay and they’re not demons and they haven’t molested me or anyone else. If you want people to take you seriously, um, you might want to tone down the rhetoric a little.